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Did WinSCP just fry my Onion?

  • @Costas-Costas said in Did WinSCP just fry my Onion?:

    Each to their own but I didn't mention MediaTek, the reference was Onion.

    Onion is just making Mediatek slightly more accessible in some ways than it would otherwise be. There are several other modules for the same chip on the market, some of which provide what Onion has so far failed to. You have a range of choices (and Mediatek themselves have competition in Atheros), so the general solution is valid even beyond its particular embodiment.

    But with a pi, you're stuck with the actual literal pi boards - unless you have many millions and want to enter into lengthy negotiations, you literally have no access to the technology apart from those boards, and so are stuck with their unworkable choices.

    What I'm pushing for is mainstream and Onion seem to be doing a pretty good job of ensuring that will never happen.

    You seem to be overlooking that the pi had it's own notorious issues with schedule slip not to mention power supply issues.

    But pushing for mainstream in the manner of the pi would be a serious mistake, if it means something that similarly lacks utility, and if it continues to mean that resources get devoted into chasing too many over-promises rather than solving core problems.

    Do one thing and do it well - let the community worry about the variety.

    One would think, with a Linux based router chip that would be reliably boot up and talk on a network. That's an entirely achievable goal, but it hasn't been being treated as a priority.

  • SSH access has disappeared now via WinSCP and PUTTY.
    Onion have stated there are some "issues" with the new firmware.


  • Well, here's something that Onion could productively learn from the Raspberry Pi:


    Raspbian is the Foundation’s official supported operating system.


    Note: Raspbian is not affiliated with the Raspberry Pi Foundation. Raspbian was created by a small, dedicated team of developers that are fans of the Raspberry Pi hardware, the educational goals of the Raspberry Pi Foundation and, of course, the Debian Project.

    Fairly early on, the pi foundation abdicated the task of being the primary provider of the software stack to the community, and that has worked so well that as the above indicates, the official stack isn't even one they author.

    In contrast, despite starting with a quite similar mix of mostly GPL components with a few proprietary bits, due to incomplete source releases Onion is still parked in the critical path of trying to be their customer's only system software solution.

    As many threads here amply demonstrate, getting that right for the envisioned diversity of use cases (or even at this point even just consistency for boot up and talk on the net goals) is an overwhelming job for a small company; even after empowering the community to solve the software blockers, hardware and supply chain concerns could probably keep all hands busy.

  • @Chris-Stratton said in Did WinSCP just fry my Onion?:

    Really? How many actual soundly engineered products are built around a pi? There have been a few attempts, but it's not very suitable for real use, which becomes obvious when you seriously try

    Interesting tangent this thread has taken. The Raspberry Pi is aimed at the education market, not the commercial product market. I don't think they could be more clear about that. Certainly they have been adopted by hobbyists and have found a niche in some products, but, except for the "compute module" variant the latter isn't something they are targeting. Moreover the Pi is more of a small server or high end graphic user interface sort of device with some GPIO, not really in competition with node devices like the Omega or ESP8266.

  • The Pi is closer to being a "$5 Computer" than the Omega is.

  • @Costas-Costas said in Did WinSCP just fry my Onion?:

    The Pi is closer to being a "$5 Computer" than the Omega is.

    Only if your definition of a computer is "something that can do nothing but complain about the lack of boot media"

  • You are so wrong about the boot media. No problems at all, unlike the Omega's that fails to boot on a regular basis.

    It's an excellent way of backing up all your work. Something that is very difficult with the Omega.

    HDMI makes it a real computer, unlike the router chip that you get when you buy an Omega.

    You obviously have little or no experience with the Pi.

  • @Costas-Costas said in Did WinSCP just fry my Onion?:

    You obviously have little or no experience with the Pi.

    You obviously haven't tried to power up your pi with only what you got for $5.

    Until you purchase and add an SD card, it can't boot, but at best complain about the lack of boot media.

    Both the omega2 and the pi zero require suitable power supplies, but the first needs only to connect that and it can be a functioning computer with wireless network connectivity, while the second still needs persistent storage added, and if you want to talk any any sort of network, a suitable adapter.

  • As I said you don't know what a Pi is.

    I said Pi is closer to a $5 computer than an Omega and I think the 11m Pi users would agree if they tried an Omega.

  • @Costas-Costas said in Did WinSCP just fry my Onion?:

    As I said you don't know what a Pi is.

    I said Pi is closer to a $5 computer than an Omega and I think the 11m Pi users would agree if they tried an Omega.

    You're mixing up the very distinct issues of completeness vs. software stability.

    The Onion modules are functionally complete, networked computational devices at their price point, while the pi is not - you still have to buy storage and connectivity.

    The pi does have a more mature software stack, in no small part because the hardware vendor isn't still trying to do it.

  • No I am covering what the majority of people in the world think a computer is.

    Pi wins hands down and if you don't happen to have an SD card, WiFi dongle and PSU (many people do) then the $5 Zero becomes a total cost of $10.

    The basic Omega is $5 plus recommended dock of $15 plus PSU plus an actual computer to be able to see what the router chip is doing.

    No contest

  • If by "computer" you mean something that drives an HDMI monitor, then yes, indeed, you are shopping in the wrong place!

    In comparable usage, a pi and an omega would both require a 3.3v serial terminal.

  • Pop next door if you don't have a TV.

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